I think both were saddening.
That was a lot of hard work. But I recommend posting them one set at a time. Like the first ones without Koba felt off-topic.
Very accurate LOL. I wish the father was a more unique and compelling character. They just did the "Kill the parent for hero motivation" cliche. I did like him being the master of birds but still he was not made much interesting.
Nice sketch !! Good work. But I criticize constructively that it does not resemble Koba that much. It feels like a random ape.
I wish these ideas were incorporated into Proximus's backstory. My idea for his backstory is that his father or grandfather belonged to the clan of Caesar's followers (like Rakka). His father learned how humans used to torture them in cages and rings for entertainment so he does the same for humans. However, the clan leader discovers that and they both engage in a dual combat (like Koba and Caesar) and similar to that fight, Proximus's father is defeated and humiliated. He is banished from the clan for disobeying Caesar's teachings and his followers follow him. Later his son Proximus is brought up with the teachings and guidance of his father and he builds his own clan.
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Nice. I had a similar crazy idea. How about using a time machine to travel to the age of dinosaurs and exposing them to Alz-113. Then time travel a million years later. Who knows maybe dinosaurs have achieved near human level intelligence. Or since this gene therapy virus is a form of mutagen, the evolution would be faster. Maybe we can use them to other intelligent animals like dolphins, elephants, cockatoos.
I won't say he was an anti-villain. He committed his actions out of revenge and yeah his actions were justified but anti-villains are characters who commit crimes but with good intentions.
I think she was slightly better than Faraquad and Drago but not as good as Koba or Colonel.
@Sonic the wikihog 4 Okay. "Something less is more" applies more to Lord Faraquad, Colonel from War, Drago Bludvist , N̶O̶T̶ Chameleon. NOT Proximus.
Proximus is still below Chameleon's "stature" 😂🤣 !!
That kicking someone off the stairs was funny🤣 !! I have like seen a 1000 villains do this cliche. The crime partner offends the boss villain. He asks for forgiveness. The villain pretends to forgive him but then kills him off in the most brutal way possible to make an example. So for Chameleon, I liked how she ominously forgives the crime lord and this showed her to be smarter and more analytical than Lord Shen who would have killed the bear unhesistantly. It was refreshing. Chameleon also destroys a mine, traps Po, outsmarts Tai Lung and steals his kung fu and the kung fu of several villains. And she did that herself.
Proximus never himself did that did he ? "actually accomplishing those feats" sounds very inappropriate for him. He is just the typical "tyrannical villain who lets his henchmen do all the work while he himself sits back". The sole reason he is a threat is because of his commanders. Then like I have said repeatedly the movie does not project him as a threat or as an intelligent ape who knows a lot about humans and that his intelligence makes him a threat. "Something less is more" applies more to Chameleon, Lord Faraquad, Colonel from War and Drago Bludvist. Not Proximus.
Then Chameleon is a huge step in quality compared to Proximus. She establishes her status as a mysterious urban legend and felt more unique from other generic villains. I liked how depsite her small stature she had a commanding presence over other large animals. Then the movie presented her connections with Po really well. While for Proximus, the "twisting the words of Caesar" storyline is barely explored. It's just scratched on the surface. Proximus was a cool villain in terms of concept. Like an ape who bends Caesar's teachings and wants to weaponize human technology was a great idea but poorly executed and presented IMAO.
We don't even see a scene of him inventing the electric prods. That would have added depth to his character and would shown him to be a technological genius. Instead he is just "presented" as a generic tyrannical ape ruler who wants to conquer ape colonies for power but he is too lazy to do that himself so he hires commanders to do that. That is not what Proximus is but the movie presents him that way. Take Superfly from TMNT: Mutant Mayhem. He gets everything right. He is threatening, charismatic and a technological genius. We see his status as a mysterious mafia kingpin established and his act of stealing technology and gadgets portray him as a threatening villain as well as a technological genius. Then Proximus himself never feels threatening. All the heavy lifting is done by his commanders. I do like strong secondary villains and some of them are even better than the main ones but still the main villain should be threatening as well. Randall Boggs from Monsters Inc does all the heavy lifting and has more screentime but Waternoose too feels like a threat. His well written twist takes the audience by surprise and he is given time to be a villain.
I am a huge fan of the reboot trilogy and it's an underrated franchise. When the trailer for Kingdom came out I was genuinely impressed. Unfortunately the movie did not live up to its expectations. I did not want a masterpiece or anything I just wanted a good time at the theatres with both action and storytelling.
The pacing of Kingdom is terrible !! Nowhere near as bad as that of KFP4. There are lengthy movies like Oppenheimer, Avatar 2 and Batman 2022. They were all 3 hours long but were incredibly well paced. So do not give me nonsense like "it's not the movie's fault people have low attention spans for lengthy movies." There was no clear direction in which the plot advanced hence a weak narrative. KFP4 on the other hand had a simple story so it was engaging and easy to follow. The movie did have some slow moments in the rushed pace. The movie was so slow my parents took a short nap and several people said they did.
Coming to the villains I strongly think Chameleon is a 9/10 villain and Proximus is 7 at best. I have even made a post about this at Villains Wiki.
@Sonic the wikihog 4 Bro it seems like we are polar opposites of each other. I strongly feel like this is just a decently entertaining movie and I think KFP4 is way better than this. I even made a post about this at the KFP wiki. For me KFP4 is an 8.8/10 while Kingdom gets a 7.5/10. I honestly did not expect I would like KFP4 more than Kingdom. I had high hopes it would be a 9/10 movie. My parents thought this movie was terrible even though I think it is decent. Impressive action and likeable characters but storytelling is a MESS !! The pacing is way too irregular, the narrative is underwhelming and Proximus was a highly disappointing villain for me. I can go on and on about why I think KFP4 is much superior than this.