Then Chameleon is a huge step in quality compared to Proximus. She establishes her status as a mysterious urban legend and felt more unique from other generic villains. I liked how depsite her small stature she had a commanding presence over other large animals. Then the movie presented her connections with Po really well. While for Proximus, the "twisting the words of Caesar" storyline is barely explored. It's just scratched on the surface. Proximus was a cool villain in terms of concept. Like an ape who bends Caesar's teachings and wants to weaponize human technology was a great idea but poorly executed and presented IMAO.

We don't even see a scene of him inventing the electric prods. That would have added depth to his character and would shown him to be a technological genius. Instead he is just "presented" as a generic tyrannical ape ruler who wants to conquer ape colonies for power but he is too lazy to do that himself so he hires commanders to do that. That is not what Proximus is but the movie presents him that way. Take Superfly from TMNT: Mutant Mayhem. He gets everything right. He is threatening, charismatic and a technological genius. We see his status as a mysterious mafia kingpin established and his act of stealing technology and gadgets portray him as a threatening villain as well as a technological genius. Then Proximus himself never feels threatening. All the heavy lifting is done by his commanders. I do like strong secondary villains and some of them are even better than the main ones but still the main villain should be threatening as well. Randall Boggs from Monsters Inc does all the heavy lifting and has more screentime but Waternoose too feels like a threat. His well written twist takes the audience by surprise and he is given time to be a villain.

^ Yeah... Sure. She says she's so scary, but what does she do? Kick some copy paste bear down some stairs? 🤣

Meanwhile Proximus commiting ENFORCED SLAVERY and TERRORISM on apes and actually accomplishing those feats. Even at his weakest, the other apes were too scared to fight him physically. And like I said... Sometimes less is more.

That kicking someone off the stairs was funny🤣 !! I have like seen a 1000 villains do this cliche. The crime partner offends the boss villain. He asks for forgiveness. The villain pretends to forgive him but then kills him off in the most brutal way possible to make an example. So for Chameleon, I liked how she ominously forgives the crime lord and this showed her to be smarter and more analytical than Lord Shen who would have killed the bear unhesistantly. It was refreshing. Chameleon also destroys a mine, traps Po, outsmarts Tai Lung and steals his kung fu and the kung fu of several villains. And she did that herself.

Proximus never himself did that did he ? "actually accomplishing those feats" sounds very inappropriate for him. He is just the typical "tyrannical villain who lets his henchmen do all the work while he himself sits back". The sole reason he is a threat is because of his commanders. Then like I have said repeatedly the movie does not project him as a threat or as an intelligent ape who knows a lot about humans and that his intelligence makes him a threat. "Something less is more" applies more to Chameleon, Lord Faraquad, Colonel from War and Drago Bludvist. Not Proximus.

^ Correction: NOT Chameleon

Proximus is still below Chameleon's "stature" 😂🤣 !!

What the fuck are You guys aruging about?

@Sonic the wikihog 4 Okay. "Something less is more" applies more to Lord Faraquad, Colonel from War, Drago Bludvist , N̶O̶T̶ Chameleon. NOT Proximus.

^All other villains you mentioned are 1000% out of Chameleon's leagues as villains.

I think she was slightly better than Faraquad and Drago but not as good as Koba or Colonel.

^ Fr, bro. Koba is definitely one of the most empathetic and most broken anti-villains in all of cinema. You really can't blame him for the horrendous actions he committed.